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Cyndy Prilly

Cyndy Prilly

April 09 2010

They Seem To Think...

Over on the Joomla forum, they seem to think you've changed your mind about releasing a free public version of Anahita this month. And, looking around the website it does seem that way.

I realize you're still working on the website, still working on Anahita, and I think you're possibly still trying to figure out how you're going to package it and market it.

#anahita #social #development

Rastin Mehr
Rastin Mehr
April 09 2010 Permalink
We haven't changed our mind about making a copy of Anahita Social Engine framework and component available.

However it may not be for a while. It all depends how smooth the development from 0.9.4 to 0.9.5 goes. For example right now we are updating the code to the most recent revision of Nooku 0.7 and that is taking up quite a bit of time and in general we have to fulfill our commitment to our clients and partners first who have contributed financially and supported us publicly before making some code for free download.

Another misconception is also that people think Anahita is one component that does everything and it will be available for free download. Anahita Social Engine ™ will only provide the people, social graph, dashboard, story feed, etc. plus the framework and platform. Having the framework and platform available for free download makes it easier for 3rd party developers who would like to develop their own custom social apps and distribute them either on anahitapolis or on their own websites.

In order to build a social network people will still need at least a few social applications (discussions, photos, groups, etc. ) and also support, updates, having their questions answered et. and for that they are welcome to sign up right now.

I realize you're still working on the website, still working on Anahita, and I think you're possibly still trying to figure out how you're going to package it and market it.

A commercial open source project like this will be constantly changing and evolving so it is only natural that the website content, source code, business strategy constantly change and evolve too.

So change is not due to the lack of strategy, it is the strategy.

James Imani
James Imani
April 09 2010 Permalink
Ah I see...
So in the end there will be THE PEOPLE, SOCIAL GRAPH, DASHBOARD, STORY FEED and THE FRAMEWORK & PLATFORM for free...
The USERS PROFILE & ACCOUNT and FACEBOOK & TWITTER LOGIN, too?

And Discussion, Photos, Groups, Events etc must be paid!?
Can I pay with a portion Fesenjun? :P
Will you realese the social apps with the GPL license?
BTW, I'm very supportive of your subscription membership plan. I think it's essential that YOU survive, so Anahita can survive. :) It's just that the people on the Joomla forum are griping again. It shows they're interested, anyway.

I think that your "free as beer" version is actually very generous. There's a lot in it. And I do think, once people use the basic social engine they will want the extensions to go with it.

I saw a web album today on CBSNews.com that showed photos of famous people and how much money they made in 2009. Johnny Depp $25 million, the author of the Twilight Series $50 million, Taylor Swift $17.2 .... and the guy who co-founded Facebook made $3 billion dollars. I was amazed that you can make $3 billion off of something that's free!!

So I hope Anahita will do just as well or better. :)

Rastin Mehr
Rastin Mehr
April 09 2010 Permalink
Basically what you see here without the discussions and photos is using Anahita Social Engine. That is what we will be making available for free download.

Will you realese the social apps with the GPL license?

The entire Anahita code is GPL. It is free as liberty but not free as free beer :) Anahita code is distributed and supported via paid membership programs and contracts that we sign. How else 2 people could fund 1700 hours of research and software development at this level of complexity

BTW, I'm very supportive of your subscription membership plan. I think it's essential that YOU survive, so Anahita can survive. :) It's just that the people on the Joomla forum are griping again. It shows they're interested, anyway.

Thank you! we are definitely not going for survival alone. This is about world domination ;) Anahita is a business venture which is socially conscious and values freedom of knowledge and information. In general any innovation that happens in our team has GPL or CC on it before it sees the day light. That way the knowledge can be shared while credits and profits are secured.

Anahita is not a none-for-profit or charity project or organization and nowhere in the GPL license says that developers cannot charge fees for distribution of the code and providing support and services. GPL says share the code and let people read it, learn it, modify it, use it as many time as you wish and also it prevents some fortune 500 company to come and patent the technology. I think it is the best way to protect an IP without having to hide it or lock it down.

We understand it makes total economic sense for a lot of people on the Joomla forum to receive everything free of charge, but it doesn't make any economic sense for us to put many hours of research and development free of charge.

A lot of successful GPL projects are backed by a commercial venture look at Google, Automattic(wordpress), MySql, Apache, Redhat, 37signals(RubyOnRails), etc.

James Imani
James Imani
April 10 2010 Permalink
I know the price for beeing a partner.
Do you change the price after realising the Anahita Social Engine?
Im asking because this is what I found on apps "Copyright (C) 2009 rmd Studio, PeerGlobe Technology" no GPL...
Rastin Mehr
Rastin Mehr
April 10 2010 Permalink
Do you change the price after realising the Anahita Social Engine?

@James - There will be a community plan with a bit lower fee for those who simply want to obtain the packages and receive basic support via Anahitapolis. At this moment we have started mainly from the developers, because what we have to offer right now has the most value to them, because Anahita's architecture provides a lot of ways to be customized, scaled or be integrated with other systems. It will be a few more month until more features such as Groups to be available. The best partner candidate at this point are people who are planning an entire year on a framework and platform that they trust and believe to be on the right evolutionary path. The Anahita Community Plan will be mainly for site configurators. These are people who are more interested in putting building blocks together and configuring them rather than getting inside the code and develop.

Partner's plan is not just for accessing the code. Partners are asking us questions and collaborating with us on a daily basis on the Google group and skype chat group. Peer support is the best way to learn a new technology and that is the priceless aspect of the Anahita tribe.

Im asking because this is what I found on apps "Copyright (C) 2009 rmd Studio, PeerGlobe Technology" no GPL...

@Markus GPL is the software license and it is a completely different concept than than the Copyright. GPL allows you to read, modify, reuse the code and enjoy other freedoms that GPL 2.0 license provides. Copyright determines who were the original creators of the software. Every open source software contains the copyrights of the many individuals and companies who have contributed to the project.
James Imani
James Imani
April 11 2010 Permalink
I know I'm asking again...sorry...:D

(1)
But is the Facebook & Twitter Connection a part of Anahita Engine for free download or an Application for paid members?

(2)
And will Anahita need her own seperate Login-Modul or can we use the standard from Joomla?

(3)
Where is the privacy-section/option for the members? I can't find it in the demo. Or is it not ready?
Rastin Mehr
Rastin Mehr
April 11 2010 Permalink
@James You can ask us all of your questions man, we would be more than happy to answer them for you :)

1. No. Facebook and Twitter integration are being developed as Anahita extensions and they will be available via paid membership plans.

2. yes and no. Anahita uses the same login module as Joomla. Twitter and facebook integrations have their own unique paths. It is possible to create other modules with more elaborate login features all in one spot. That is standard Joomla practice.

3. Implementation of privacy and Anahita ACL has been moved to the next release which is version 0.9.5. We figured privacy manager is not yet required for the current release, but we wanted to make the framework available to our partners so they could get started on their projects right away.
James Imani
James Imani
April 12 2010 Permalink
@James You can ask us all of your questions man, we would be more than happy to answer them for you :)

Thank you Rastin.

So...then....I ask more :D

Imagine...Person A is a registered member via Anahita Engine.
In the next day Person A thinks about logging in via Facebook-Account.

So what will happen with his normal registered Profile? Will Anahita ask him to overwrite his standard-profile?

And when the standard-profile is overwritten, what will happen with his new profile, if in the next day the Person A thinks about logging in via Twitter?
Rastin Mehr
Rastin Mehr
April 13 2010 Permalink
@james

I don't think any of the authentication systems should overwrite an existing profile's information unless the user wants it that way.

James Imani
James Imani
April 13 2010 Permalink
So the user have the choice. Good!
Everything sounds very well.
I can't wait anymore for Anahita Social Engine.
I hope only the prices for a normal membership will be Student-friendly ;)

Kind Regards
I hope the community explodes with social apps.. is what I hope.. :)
It will!

Everything in Anahita is built using reusable elements: Nodes, Graphs, and Stories and nodes can be commented on and tagged. That's all you need to build any possible kind of social networks!
When you said "paid membership/subscription" does that include existing and people who sign up soon as partners?

It seems like it would, I just want to be sure.
I got my answer - reading through the archives some more now.

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